Atom 4R or 4S in the pipe line?

[8_enj]

Hi all,

I was just wondering will Ariel release a 4S/4R if so any speculation when?

[John Scherrer]

This was queried on here last month and they asked the UK factory the question ..

Here's the post with their response (Tom) :-

It's usually around Easter

[8_enj]

Hi John, thanks for the reply, at least we know which way they are going then.

[Hedge]

Start saving. The R shall be in the region of 120k.

Cheers,
Hedge

[8_enj]

Hi Hedge,

Do you think there will be a limited production run? And do they all get allocated to existing customers?

Thanks

[phil4]

Previous R models where never limited numbers.

The few models they’ve done limited numbers on have been really special in some way, like the v8 with custom engine, the Nomad R with engines that aren’t made any more, or the Ace R with its hand tuned engine.

I’d put a reasonable bet on the Atom 4 R being available as the 3.5 R.

There may also be a limited run special edition too though.


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[Hedge]

Do you think there will be a limited production run? And do they all get allocated to existing customers?

No & no

There's a few who've put deposits down already though.

Cheers,
Hedge

[8_enj]

Thanks for the info, does anyone know how much the 3.5R cost?

As there is one for sale on ariel just shy of £90k i was wondering if they have gone up or taken a big hit.

[phil4]

About 90k

As ever though depends on spec. The paddle sh1t alone adds something not far off £20k to the price.

If looked after they don’t tend to depreciate much.


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[Fastlane]

Thanks for the info, does anyone know how much the 3.5R cost?

As there is one for sale on ariel just shy of £90k i was wondering if they have gone up or taken a big hit.

The £90k R advertised on Ariel's website was c.£110k new. If you look lower down on the Ariel website used car section, you'll see a 2017 "base spec" R for £53950, which would have been just c.£57k new. That car sold I believe in 2018, so was only a year or so old with 2900 miles. I have never seen another R with such a low spec. - most seem to have the front and rear wings and Dymags as a minimum and many have the Ohlins too plus many other options, which would have bumped the price up to £70k+ new. The Sadev gearbox was £22.2k new and is now c.£27k retrofitted according to the factory!

I doubt a 3.5R (or any Atom) is likely to depreciate very much at all now if it is properly looked after and has a factory service history. I wouldn't be surprised if the values of all Atoms start to go up as we near the 2030 ban on ICE cars...

[robfitz]

How different is an R to a normal car then? Is it effectively a car with all the bells and whistles off the options list ticked?

[John Scherrer]

It was much more than a standard Atom 3.5 with all the options ticked.

The engine was originally the 2.0 litre supercharged engine from the normal 3.0/3.5 but with the boost upped from 7.5 to 11 psi, the power was up from 310 to 350 bhp and torque was up too.

The standard car had by then changed to the K24 2.4 litre, longer stroke engine as Ariel held back the last of the 2.0 engines for the early 3.5Rs but eventually the 3.5R got the K24 too but there is some doubt as to whether that variant makes the full 350 bhp.

The 3.5R also introduced the sidepods option only seen before on the limited edition Atom 500, V8.
In here was an oil cooler and charge cooler for keen track use.

The Ohlins TTX36 dampers were a feature as was the Sadev 6 gear, air operated sequential gearbox with paddle shift.

The rear wheels were wider shod with Kumho tyres.

I’m not sure I know what was a base 3.5R spec, but the many different options means that pretty much every 3.5R is different.

[Corky]

I think the 4R will have a modified engine to be able to reliably make 400bhp. Not sure what else they can offer that the std car cannot already be optioned with.

[robfitz]

Interesting - sounds essentially like familiar k20 tuning bits but with the benefit of coming from the factory.

[Fastlane]

It was much more than a standard Atom 3.5 with all the options ticked.

The engine was originally the 2.0 litre supercharged engine from the normal 3.0/3.5 but with the boost upped from 7.5 to 11 psi, the power was up from 310 to 350 bhp and torque was up too.

The standard car had by then changed to the K24 2.4 litre, longer stroke engine as Ariel held back the last of the 2.0 engines for the early 3.5Rs but eventually the 3.5R got the K24 too but there is some doubt as to whether that variant makes the full 350 bhp.

The 3.5R also introduced the sidepods option only seen before on the limited edition Atom 500, V8.
In here was an oil cooler and charge cooler for keen track use.

The Ohlins TTX36 dampers were a feature as was the Sadev 6 gear, air operated sequential gearbox with paddle shift.

The rear wheels were wider shod with Kumho tyres.

I’m not sure I know what was a base 3.5R spec, but the many different options means that pretty much every 3.5R is different.

That car I referred to above, that was sold by the factory as an R, was pretty much a low spec s/c 3.5 but with the 350bhp R engine upgrade (which as you say, includes the oil and charge cooler in side pods). I think the only other concession to the upgraded power on that car was that it had Alcons front and back, which may or may not have been be on the insistence of the factory. It also had the Team Dynamics wheels, so I am even sure it had the 245 rear tyres.

I would imagine that must have been one of the cheapest 3.5Rs ever produced by the factory - there are a quite a few s/c 3.5s which would have cost more!