F1 - Aussie GP Thread - CONTAINS SPOILERS

[DFext37 Fielding]

[quote="dp35"]
IMO Vettel was raped by the officials, penalizing him 10 grid positions at the next race.  They also fined him $50,000 for driving on three wheels.

I don't understand how they can say the Kubica/Vettel incident was 100% either driver's fault.  I thought it was 75% Kubica's fault, and 25% Vettel's.  Neither driver was completely innocent or guilty.  But since the situation was self penalizing for both drivers, why does the FIA need to get involved? 
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MS has stood up for Vetel thinking his penalty was harsh

As Murray Walker said in 1992 '2 very determined chargers, each refusing to yield and they both paid the penalty'.

[Bruce Fielding]

[quote="dp35"]
IMO Vettel was raped by the officials, penalizing him 10 grid positions at the next race.  They also fined him $50,000 for driving on three wheels.

I don't understand how they can say the Kubica/Vettel incident was 100% either driver's fault.  I thought it was 75% Kubica's fault, and 25% Vettel's.  Neither driver was completely innocent or guilty.  But since the situation was self penalizing for both drivers, why does the FIA need to get involved? 

[/quote]Because driving for a prolonged period on three wheels is DANGEROUS! and the FIA has to get involved where safety is concerned.

The Red Bull should have retired to a position of safety immediately it became apparent that the damage was severe - and 25% loss of wheels is always pretty severe!

[dp35]

^ Bruce, that explains the $50,000 fine, for driving on 3 wheels.  I don't mind that penalty, especially since it doesn't effect another race.

But the 10 grid spot penalty has nothing to do with driving on 3 wheels, its because of the contact with Kubica.  That's the part I disagree with.  IMO, the only thing Vettel is guilty of, was accepting blame.  You never see experienced F1 drivers do that, and this is the reason why.  If he's ever going to win a championship in F1, Vettel will have to learn to be a ruthless bastard like the others.

[Bruce Fielding]

[quote="dp35"]
^ Bruce, that explains the $50,000 fine, for driving on 3 wheels.  I don't mind that penalty, especially since it doesn't effect another race.

But the 10 grid spot penalty has nothing to do with driving on 3 wheels, its because of the contact with Kubica.  That's the part I disagree with.  IMO, the only thing Vettel is guilty of, was accepting blame.  You never see experienced F1 drivers do that, and this is the reason why.  If he's ever going to win a championship in F1, Vettel will have to learn to be a ruthless bastard like the others.
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OK. I agree with you there

But he'll learn his lesson for the future... niot that it's a lesson I would wish F1 drivers needed either...

Actually, he could easily have explained the pit radio comment by claiming that he was apologising for being an idiot at the previous corner where he went wide and lost all the time that allowed Bobby K to catch up with him.

[jon b]

[quote="dp35"]
IMO Vettel was raped by the officials, penalizing him 10 grid positions at the next race.  They also fined him $50,000 for driving on three wheels.

I don't understand how they can say the Kubica/Vettel incident was 100% either driver's fault.  I thought it was 75% Kubica's fault, and 25% Vettel's.  Neither driver was completely innocent or guilty.  But since the situation was self penalizing for both drivers, why does the FIA need to get involved? 
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Agreed, I actually think Vettel didn't back out after Kubica's outrageous 3rd from last lap maneuver in Brazil

[DFext37 Fielding]

I would have expected Kubica to Wait and mount a challenge at the chicane or into the next lap.

Glock and Trulli pulled off some amazing manoeuvres in turn 3.

[Trigger]

Its another ridiculous FIA decision which means if you can get just yr front wheels ahead you have the corner - daft. It was more Kubica in my opinion as he didnt give Vettel enough room and he had nowhere to go - but each should take some blame - no need for FIA to get involved.

[fiestycolumbian]

Nutty race, typical Australia, enjoyed it thouroughly.

I am loving the different spread in tire performance between the prime and option tires, brings a lot more action and strategy in play.

So let me get this straight, if the Brawns are disqualified in the Appeals hearing after Malaysia, then Hamilton wins the Aussie GP? , only in F1!!

fiesty

[Alec]

I only hope the FIA aren't going to ruin this season's racing with loads of ridiculous decisions. 

[DFext37 Fielding]

Crappy Picture events. - better pics.

1st Pic, lots of room, but still looks 50/50 with maybe Vettel just dfending the corner.
2nd and 3rd pic, point of apex, original and point of apex with rough racing lines.
4th pic, Kubica and Vettel 25 metres from apex (notice a reasonable and contact-free gap)

[DFext37 Fielding]

5th pic, contact onboard vettel, yes Kubica could have given more room, but a imo a racing incident, it is that type of corner in that situation.
6th pic, the major contact, putting Kubica into a semi spin, into Vettel's wing / tyre.
7th and 8th pic, the result fot both drivers next corner.

Alsesi Irvine 96 comes to mind.

[dp35]

I found it funny that both drivers crashed independently in the next corner.  No one to blame there but themselves. 

Perhaps those 2nd crashes were the result of the drivers being totally unable to see the new front wings, and thus not knowing when they've lost theirs.  Seems like had they known that they had no front wing, they would've taken that next corner much slower.  IF Vettel had done that, he would've been able to finish the race with some points, because Kubica's crash would've still brought out the SC. 

[benyeats]

[quote="Nick Wright"]
Bet she knows the difference between doctor and director as well.
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she would have assumed he meant "BMW's doctor Mario Theissen"

[Nick Wright]

Ben - I'll defer to your specialist knowledge on this one.

[PaulP]

If the stewards are so sharp this year and we know there are cameras all round the circuit, and we all know overtaking behind the safety car is a no, no; why did it take so long for them to discover Trulli had done this; when the TV commentators were raising suspicions about it while the race was still ongoing????

How long between it happening and the podium ceromony?  Surely they need to be slicker than this.  How long did Trulli think he'd get away with it, as he stood on the podium grinning?  He's not exactly a new boy.

Not impressed when it's over third place, imagine how stupid F1 would have looked if it had been the decision between 1st and 2nd and the wrong guy was being fêted as the winner. 

Soap box back under the stairs.