Bringing back wing and fender ideas

[1965Cobra427]

[quote="Curator"]
Jesus,that Stohr F1000 is SEXY! I can picture that in Performance red. Wow. Bike powered...but I do believe I could accept that..
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Here ya go ...

[hondahamster]

Can i drive that at Atomfest please!!!!!
That would be the best birthday gift evers!!!
-hamSter

[Heywood-Yablowme]

Randy,you are an evil man...

[bolus]

I wasn't able to make it to Stohr this weekend but did talk with Tom who can make us some universal wing mounts.  But he said he spoke with Shinoo and we should here more about his wing package in the next few weeks.  So perhaps I'll hold off until atomfest when we'll here a lot more. 

Tom may be getting an Atom to work on for another turbo conversion soon so he'll be able to measure for parts

APR Performance can make some custom wings as well but they would need a car for measurements.   They are located just outside of LA.  anyone near them to stop by?

http://www.aprperformance.com/

[Heywood-Yablowme]

Shinoo has this on his website..a preview of the wing.Looks to be a double stacked unit.



Brace...

From the blog entry,it appears Sector111 willl not be making a front wing as they feel the TMI replacement is adequate.


Max says I have to buy one of these...it's tired of being the only wingless Atom in the  shop...that crazy car wants everything!

[bolus]

Ok, that was posted the day Tom called him.  that mount will easily get around mu exhaust.  I wonder if there is a cross brace?

[Heywood-Yablowme]

By the look of those braces,it does not require a cross brace.There really is marginal side loading on the wing,other than what is generated while cornering by the mass of the wing and supports.

I have a set of Brammo wings I could mount on Max,but I am unsure that they would help more than hurt. I may try them next outing,making no other changes other than the wings,to see if they do help. Speeds at NHMS do not exceed 125mph in the Atom.

They do make the car look very racy. Not sure if I like that or not...       Seems like everything today has a wing strapped to it......

[CalScot]

The design does have a rather large crossbrace which is actually very nice. Set's of the whole thing very nicely. The C/F wing is as light as a feather and top quality. I am sure this will look great when it's finished.

Very dissapointed that he will not be making a bigger front wing and is sticking with the TMI one although visually they match well.

Having waited on this wing for several months and hoping to have a full set sorted by Atomfest, I have given up and will probably go a different direction now. I might be interested in the APR folks building me something if they can do it in a month with brackets. Bolus, who did you talk to? I am only 60 miles away.

[bolus]

I just emailed them but I did send pictures of the Brammo wings and mounts and what we are trying to accomplish.  This is the guy that looked them over

Tony Nguyen
APR PERFORMANCE
21037 Commerce Pointe Dr.
Walnut, CA 91789, USA
(909)594-3796 phone

I think the advantage of these guys is cost.  Since my hope wtih this search was to find a wing package $1000 or less

I'm asking Mark at TMI if we can just buy the mounts too.

[arielatom600]

[quote="CalScot"]
The design does have a rather large crossbrace which is actually very nice. Set's of the whole thing very nicely. The C/F wing is as light as a feather and top quality. I am sure this will look great when it's finished.

Very dissapointed that he will not be making a bigger front wing and is sticking with the TMI one although visually they match well.

Having waited on this wing for several months and hoping to have a full set sorted by Atomfest, I have given up and will probably go a different direction now. I might be interested in the APR folks building me something if they can do it in a month with brackets. Bolus, who did you talk to? I am only 60 miles away.
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let me know if before you order, I want to get a set too. Really, really need it now!!!
by the way, blew the GB... I remember you said you had a good deal on new?!
Andreas

[WorkingOnIt]

[quote="Curator"]

They do make the car look very racy. Not sure if I like that or not...       Seems like everything today has a wing strapped to it......
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21st century version of tail fins.
This was the last straw for me...



(I'm referring to production car poseurs, not functional aero)

[Heywood-Yablowme]

It is a shame the "wing" has become just an ornament on most cars.

[CalScot]

[quote="arielatom600"]
[quote="CalScot"]
The design does have a rather large crossbrace which is actually very nice. Set's of the whole thing very nicely. The C/F wing is as light as a feather and top quality. I am sure this will look great when it's finished.

Very dissapointed that he will not be making a bigger front wing and is sticking with the TMI one although visually they match well.

Having waited on this wing for several months and hoping to have a full set sorted by Atomfest, I have given up and will probably go a different direction now. I might be interested in the APR folks building me something if they can do it in a month with brackets. Bolus, who did you talk to? I am only 60 miles away.
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let me know if before you order, I want to get a set too. Really, really need it now!!!
by the way, blew the GB... I remember you said you had a good deal on new?!
Andreas



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Sorry about the GB. Have you opened it up yet to see if you need all new parts or just some parts? (PM me the details)
Got a local Honda tranny specialist who can get you a complete RSX-S gearbox (basically identical to the JDM unit you have but the ratios are a little taller on 2,3,4,5 gears) for about $2200. The guy is reputable and very good. It's a direct bolt on. Shipping to you would be
I have the details on my office PC to a company in Arizona that import JDM stuff. They can supply a brand new in the box Honda OEM replacement to what you have for $2400. Ill PM you the link tomorrow but they only get them every couple of months and can only get a couple at a time. I could not wait on them as it was about 6-8 weeks.


I need to talk to Shinoo's aero guy, Steve, and see what calculations he came up with regarding downforce on the rear wing they have developed. I don't recall it being a whole lot. Maybe 180lbs at 125mph from memory. It's a trade off with drag vs. downforce. Probably right on for most Atoms but for Atoms with mega HP you can get away with way more wing/drag and gain the downforce. If my car was slowed down by 15% it's still faster than anything on track exept for cornering so I want to try out really high downforce and see what happens.
I talked at length to Pennon Composites a few weeks ago. They can build me a front wing like this one http://www.pennon.com/products/wings/Formula%20wings/Atlantic%20wings/ButlerAtl1.JPG which is almost identical to the picture on teh French Atom earlier in the post, and depending on size and width will be good for about 300lbs of down force at 125. If I can get a matching down force rear set, I will be quite willing to give them a try. Pennon's estimate was if I remember right, about $2200 for this front wing in C/F and $1500 in fiberglass. They can of course build a matching rear to spec for about the same price. It's still expensive and the ones I would order would be 60"wide on the front with the rear about the same width with a single aerofoil with a "gurney flap". I would consider Shinoo's rear wing option as well as it's so sexy looking but it might not have the matching downforce?? I will probably have the wings made in fiberglass as I want to paint them for a crazy color combo I have in mind.

[fiestycolumbian]

[quote="CalScot"]
I need to talk to Shinoo's aero guy, Steve, and see what calculations he came up with regarding downforce on the rear wing they have developed. I don't recall it being a whole lot. Maybe 180lbs at 125mph from memory. It's a trade off with drag vs. downforce. Probably right on for most Atoms but for Atoms with mega HP you can get away with way more wing/drag and gain the downforce. If my car was slowed down by 15% it's still faster than anything on track exept for cornering so I want to try out really high downforce and see what happens.
I talked at length to Pennon Composites a few weeks ago. They can build me a front wing like this one http://www.pennon.com/products/wings/Formula%20wings/Atlantic%20wings/ButlerAtl1.JPG which is almost identical to the picture on teh French Atom earlier in the post, and depending on size and width will be good for about 300lbs of down force at 125. If I can get a matching down force rear set, I will be quite willing to give them a try. Pennon's estimate was if I remember right, about $2200 for this front wing in C/F and $1500 in fiberglass. They can of course build a matching rear to spec for about the same price. It's still expensive and the ones I would order would be 60"wide on the front with the rear about the same width with a single aerofoil with a "gurney flap". I would consider Shinoo's rear wing option as well as it's so sexy looking but it might not have the matching downforce?? I will probably have the wings made in fiberglass as I want to paint them for a crazy color combo I have in mind.
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I really like that Pennon composite dsign. When I first started the wing idea with Steve, its what we had designed very early on. Double adjustable flaps, but with curves for street use. You have been waiting for a few months, but I have been waiting on this for 1 year!! (You remember the pics we traded back in forth!)

I was not very keen on the Brammo front as it was very small. However, I did not know that the TMI front was about 3" larger on each side. I could guess, based on the pictures Mark sent me, that the wing is about 58-60" wide. It provides the perfect balance of street, track, performance, price that I can find.

Calscot I may call you later to discuss, but would it be techinically possible to drill two small holes into the corners of the TMI wing and add adjustable side flaps, with similar downforce producing endplates as the Pennon dsign? Would be an interesting solution.

I will also discuss with Steve about the rear wing downforce, but I assumed it would be more because of the double wing design.

fiesty

[CalScot]

[quote="fiestycolumbian"]
[quote="CalScot"]
I need to talk to Shinoo's aero guy, Steve, and see what calculations he came up with regarding downforce on the rear wing they have developed. I don't recall it being a whole lot. Maybe 180lbs at 125mph from memory. It's a trade off with drag vs. downforce. Probably right on for most Atoms but for Atoms with mega HP you can get away with way more wing/drag and gain the downforce. If my car was slowed down by 15% it's still faster than anything on track exept for cornering so I want to try out really high downforce and see what happens.
I talked at length to Pennon Composites a few weeks ago. They can build me a front wing like this one http://www.pennon.com/products/wings/Formula%20wings/Atlantic%20wings/ButlerAtl1.JPG which is almost identical to the picture on teh French Atom earlier in the post, and depending on size and width will be good for about 300lbs of down force at 125. If I can get a matching down force rear set, I will be quite willing to give them a try. Pennon's estimate was if I remember right, about $2200 for this front wing in C/F and $1500 in fiberglass. They can of course build a matching rear to spec for about the same price. It's still expensive and the ones I would order would be 60"wide on the front with the rear about the same width with a single aerofoil with a "gurney flap". I would consider Shinoo's rear wing option as well as it's so sexy looking but it might not have the matching downforce?? I will probably have the wings made in fiberglass as I want to paint them for a crazy color combo I have in mind.
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I really like that Pennon composite dsign. When I first started the wing idea with Steve, its what we had designed very early on. Double adjustable flaps, but with curves for street use. You have been waiting for a few months, but I have been waiting on this for 1 year!! (You remember the pics we traded back in forth!)

I was not very keen on the Brammo front as it was very small. However, I did not know that the TMI front was about 3" larger on each side. I could guess, based on the pictures Mark sent me, that the wing is about 58-60" wide. It provides the perfect balance of street, track, performance, price that I can find.

Calscot I may call you later to discuss, but would it be techinically possible to drill two small holes into the corners of the TMI wing and add adjustable side flaps, with similar downforce producing endplates as the Pennon dsign? Would be an interesting solution.

I will also discuss with Steve about the rear wing downforce, but I assumed it would be more because of the double wing design.

fiesty


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No way you could "just" screw into the C/F to add flaps unless it was fabricated with structural inserts to receive the screws AFAIK.

Mark did tell me that their wings reduced the top speed by several MPH down the straight but were good for a 1.5-2 second lap time improvement around VIR with the wings vs no wings so they do work well.

The TMI set is hard to beat as far as looks as well. They are not for everybody but I think they look bitchin. 

Shinoo's version might be even better looking when matched up with a TMI front wing. So far, as far as looks goes I would have Shinoo's rear wing and a matching Pennon Formula Atlantic style front with flaps but I'm not sure on the matching aero values and I don't want to have it out of balance. So many have said that the car needs more on the front than the rear but I am not buying that. Since I took off that rear wing that I had on for the last year, my car is no where near as stable on Ortega Highway and it "floats" all over the place on those long fast straight bumpy sections and that was only a loss of about 125lbs of downforce (at 120MPH..on a private road of course) based on the designers calcs. So if I don't find a set of wings that work for me soon, I will make up some new brackets and mount that wing back on at least for a while.