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[quote="Terry Kennedy"]
Somebody might want to sticky this part, as Microsoft is pushing IE8 as part of Windows' Automatic Update, which means more people will get updated by surprise this Tuesday.
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Done and thanks for your investigative help Terry. I have also changed the title to make it clear that the behaviour happens with IE8.

[quote="John H"]
[quote="Terry Kennedy"]
Having said all that... the particular problem that's being seen when browsing this site is a bug in IE8 (Microsoft article [url=http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta&tid=b95398ac-e5cc-4642-9c9f-d85d08deeac6&cat=en_us_2BAF8EC5-645C-4477-A380-0F1CF6C102F9&lang=&cr=&sloc=&p=1]here[/url]) which is triggered by specifying both COLS and a width% for a textarea. There's SMF-specific discussion [url=http://dev.simplemachines.org/mantis/view.php?id=3354]here[/url]. However, turning on Compatibility View for this site will work around the bug, since it is only in the "new" renderer codepath.
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cheers Terry.......................that worked!
No more bouncey screen......................yipeeeeeeee
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Somebody might want to sticky this part, as Microsoft is pushing IE8 as part of Windows' Automatic Update, which means more people will get updated by surprise this Tuesday.

[quote="Terry Kennedy"]
[quote="Richard Marler"]
As an aside, the latest version of IE with all its bells and whistles really is an incredible hog. And since when do browsers need a special plugin to allow older sites to work well.[/quote]

I'll bash Microsoft just as much as (or more than) the next guy. However, in this case while the mess was of their own making, they're trying to do the right thing. Older versions of IE (7 and below) had various quirks which web sites compensated for by testing if the browser was IE and changing their behavior. IE8 is more standards-compliant than earlier versions, which causes changes in rendering between it and earlier versions. As an example, look at the results for the [url=http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2]Acid2 test[/url].

Microsoft (and other browser authors) tend to imply that passing one of the Acid levels means that their browser is "perfect" - that's not the case, it can pass that test and still fall apart on various real-world web pages.

I think the "plugin" you're referring to is actually a list of sites known to have problems with IE8. This is updated regularly by Microsoft so that those sites will render properly in IE8 without the user having to click "Tools / Compatibility View".

There were quite a few web sites and content authoring systems that went into "ostrich mode" and ignored the fact that IE8 was coming. Many of them said "IE8 isn't released yet; we'll look into it when it is released and see what we want to do about it". That completely ignored the point of the public beta / release candidate cycle, which is so people can work with the software and get ready for visitors who use it.

Having said all that... the particular problem that's being seen when browsing this site is a bug in IE8 (Microsoft article [url=http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta&tid=b95398ac-e5cc-4642-9c9f-d85d08deeac6&cat=en_us_2BAF8EC5-645C-4477-A380-0F1CF6C102F9&lang=&cr=&sloc=&p=1]here[/url]) which is triggered by specifying both COLS and a width% for a textarea. There's SMF-specific discussion [url=http://dev.simplemachines.org/mantis/view.php?id=3354]here[/url]. However, turning on Compatibility View for this site will work around the bug, since it is only in the "new" renderer codepath.
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cheers Terry.......................that worked!
No more bouncey screen......................yipeeeeeeee

[quote="Richard Marler"]
As an aside, the latest version of IE with all its bells and whistles really is an incredible hog. And since when do browsers need a special plugin to allow older sites to work well.[/quote]

I'll bash Microsoft just as much as (or more than) the next guy. However, in this case while the mess was of their own making, they're trying to do the right thing. Older versions of IE (7 and below) had various quirks which web sites compensated for by testing if the browser was IE and changing their behavior. IE8 is more standards-compliant than earlier versions, which causes changes in rendering between it and earlier versions. As an example, look at the results for the [url=http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2]Acid2 test[/url].

Microsoft (and other browser authors) tend to imply that passing one of the Acid levels means that their browser is "perfect" - that's not the case, it can pass that test and still fall apart on various real-world web pages.

I think the "plugin" you're referring to is actually a list of sites known to have problems with IE8. This is updated regularly by Microsoft so that those sites will render properly in IE8 without the user having to click "Tools / Compatibility View".

There were quite a few web sites and content authoring systems that went into "ostrich mode" and ignored the fact that IE8 was coming. Many of them said "IE8 isn't released yet; we'll look into it when it is released and see what we want to do about it". That completely ignored the point of the public beta / release candidate cycle, which is so people can work with the software and get ready for visitors who use it.

Having said all that... the particular problem that's being seen when browsing this site is a bug in IE8 (Microsoft article [url=http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta&tid=b95398ac-e5cc-4642-9c9f-d85d08deeac6&cat=en_us_2BAF8EC5-645C-4477-A380-0F1CF6C102F9&lang=&cr=&sloc=&p=1]here[/url]) which is triggered by specifying both COLS and a width% for a textarea. There's SMF-specific discussion [url=http://dev.simplemachines.org/mantis/view.php?id=3354]here[/url]. However, turning on Compatibility View for this site will work around the bug, since it is only in the "new" renderer codepath.

[quote="Stew Bartley"]
Really john. Unfortunately i dont post pics of my breasts on my Facebook but your more than welcome to add me
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ahem

Really john. Unfortunately i dont post pics of my breasts on my Facebook but your more than welcome to add me

[quote="Richard Marler"]
I have to say I am a big firefox fan, but the site should work with all browsers, so the 'yeah buy a mac' or 'use firefox' lines shouldn't be needed. John can you just confirm which version of IE you are using?

As an aside, the latest version of IE with all its bells and whistles really is an incredible hog. And since when do browsers need a special plugin to allow older sites to work well. Another example, along with office and my current pet hate MS Live, where MS have let feature creep get out of control. I use messenger a lot on a lot of different PCs. Now with MS Live it takes ages just working out which features I can turn off to get a basic messenger installation. I will now dismount my very high horse.
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spot on Richard, why should i not be able to use a basic forum on the worlds most popular browser. Yeah macs are cool and firefox is cool, but I personally dont use them and quite like IE.
The new MS live is utter wank...............frustrates the hell out of me too, hence my defection to erm....................facebook, which is also enormously irritating, but at least u get to look at strangers breasts

I have to say I am a big firefox fan, but the site should work with all browsers, so the 'yeah buy a mac' or 'use firefox' lines shouldn't be needed. John can you just confirm which version of IE you are using?

As an aside, the latest version of IE with all its bells and whistles really is an incredible hog. And since when do browsers need a special plugin to allow older sites to work well. Another example, along with office and my current pet hate MS Live, where MS have let feature creep get out of control. I use messenger a lot on a lot of different PCs. Now with MS Live it takes ages just working out which features I can turn off to get a basic messenger installation. I will now dismount my very high horse.

[quote="John H"]
[quote="jonny"]
Yeah looks like IE, use Firefox :)
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I really don't like firefox. I know everyone raves about it, but I personally don't get it at all.
Same with Thunderbird........now that truly is a pile of crap. It makes all your emails look pony.
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firefox will auto-enter all your passwords no need to tab on the window or anything, I use between 20 and 30 websites for work a day that this feature makes my life just that much simpler.

but to truely "get" firefox you have to watch someone use it who's installed a bunch of plug-in's to see what it can really do.....the basic download is no more impressive then IE

[quote="jonny"]
Yeah looks like IE, use Firefox :)
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I really don't like firefox. I know everyone raves about it, but I personally don't get it at all.
Same with Thunderbird........now that truly is a pile of crap. It makes all your emails look pony.

Yeah looks like IE, use Firefox :)

[quote="John H"]
[quote="Richard Marler"]
I have seen this behaviour with IE, but thought it was just something odd on that PC. If others are suffering it may be something to do with the switch over. I don't have any problems with Firefox, which is what I use on most PCs.
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it's on IE. I can't use firefox as it corrupts the security for my vpn or some random IT stuff like that.
Anyone know of a fix? Didn't do it before I don't think. Maybe this latest version.

Don't get the problem on any other forum
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No problem here. Sounds like IE. Do I really need to say it? Get A :angel:

Or, you could try to hit PREVIEW before you post. It'll give you a opportunity to correct any mistakes.

[quote="Richard Marler"]
I have seen this behaviour with IE, but thought it was just something odd on that PC. If others are suffering it may be something to do with the switch over. I don't have any problems with Firefox, which is what I use on most PCs.
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it's on IE. I can't use firefox as it corrupts the security for my vpn or some random IT stuff like that.
Anyone know of a fix? Didn't do it before I don't think. Maybe this latest version.
Don't get the problem on any other forum

I have seen this behaviour with IE, but thought it was just something odd on that PC. If others are suffering it may be something to do with the switch over. I don't have any problems with Firefox, which is what I use on most PCs.

[quote="John H"]
When I type a message, specifically a reply where I have quoted someone, I can't see what I am typing as it disappears below the bottom edge of the box and bounces up and down as and when I hit the keys.
Bloody annoying and I tend to make more errors and typos asa a result. It's on any computer too, not specific to just one.
Any ideas?
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IE or Firefox, or both ?