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Re: Side Pods A3

by alanoo » Thu May 13, 2021 12:22 pm

Karl V wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:14 am
alanoo wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:14 am If it goes in place of the second radiator (horizontal one) I'll be surprised it would be that effective with all the heat coming from the main water radiator just centimeters away. Maybe trying to diverting the airflow should work.
As far as I understand, that is the exact set-up on the Nomad R. Normal rad up front, and a charge rad horizontally behind.

It's actually not too dissimilar from the oil rad at the rear if you think about it. That's right next to the engine block and not exactly hitting cool air head on.
Yes sure, but the Delta T would be far far more sensitive for the charge cooler water than for oil, where it's actually not that critical to have 10, 15 or even 20 more °C as long as it is stable.

Re: Side Pods A3

by Karl V » Thu May 13, 2021 9:14 am

alanoo wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:14 am If it goes in place of the second radiator (horizontal one) I'll be surprised it would be that effective with all the heat coming from the main water radiator just centimeters away. Maybe trying to diverting the airflow should work.
As far as I understand, that is the exact set-up on the Nomad R. Normal rad up front, and a charge rad horizontally behind.

It's actually not too dissimilar from the oil rad at the rear if you think about it. That's right next to the engine block and not exactly hitting cool air head on.

Re: Side Pods A3

by alanoo » Thu May 13, 2021 8:14 am

John Scherrer wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:03 pm Henry posted on another earlier thread :-

"I will also say :drool:

If you are interested, we do do a 'stealth' charge cool kit (so no side pods) fits up front where the 'hot country radiator' goes.

good for about 30-35bhp on a blown K24."
If it goes in place of the second radiator (horizontal one) I'll be surprised it would be that effective with all the heat coming from the main water radiator just centimeters away. Maybe trying to diverting the airflow should work.

I also thought the charge cooled 3.5R had a slightly smaller pulley no ?

Re: Side Pods A3

by John Scherrer » Sun May 09, 2021 11:02 am

Back in 2016, I emailed Tom asking if they could fit the 'empty' sidepods (no coolers etc) to my Atom 3.

His reply :-

"Yes we can fit them ‘empty’, price for the kit is £1500 + VAT and £660 + VAT for fitting."

(That would be unpainted)

Re: Side Pods A3

by Atlarge » Sun May 09, 2021 7:51 am

Henry posted on another earlier thread :-

"I will also say :drool:

If you are interested, we do do a 'stealth' charge cool kit (so no side pods) fits up front where the 'hot country radiator' goes.

good for about 30-35bhp on a blown K24."
Anyone had this done on the K20 A3? - I'd be interested in seeing what's required for the stealth oil/charge cooler setup to keep the temps down. I'd also secretly like a full blown side pod kit too.....but imagine it's $$$$$$

Cheers!

Re: Side Pods A3

by reg » Sat May 08, 2021 9:45 am

The Sadev defines the car for me.

Re: Side Pods A3

by autobackup » Sat May 08, 2021 6:18 am

Reg wrote:
There is some confusion. A 3.5R is only really going to be a 3.5 chassis, with Ohlins and Sadev. It was a mistake (by all) to say a manual was an R. They should have made it an 'S' as Caterham did with the 620R/S.
Most of the 3.5Rs currently around are manual - Ohlins (£4500) and the Sadev (+/- £25000) were offered as upgrade options however while most purchasers seem to have opted for Ohlins but, due to the cost, relatively few had the Sadev box fitted which is why thr Rs sporting the Sadev are so rare. There were also a few other differences as well e.g. rear wheel size.

Incidentally my 3.5R makes just over 360bhp on my local rolling road!

Re: Side Pods A3

by John Scherrer » Fri May 07, 2021 11:52 pm

I’m assuming that Henry’s stealth charge cool kit includes a remap and other tweaks.
I can’t see just installing an oil cooler and air intercooler releasing 30-35 bhp otherwise.

Re: Side Pods A3

by reg » Fri May 07, 2021 11:03 pm

autobackup wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:18 am
While manual gearbox 3.5Rs are quite rare, 3.5Rs with the Sadev Sequential box are as rare as hen's teeth!
There is some confusion. A 3.5R is only really going to be a 3.5 chassis, with Ohlins and Sadev. It was a mistake (by all) to say a manual was an R. They should have made it an 'S' as Caterham did with the 620R/S.

Re: Side Pods A3

by reg » Fri May 07, 2021 10:59 pm

John Scherrer wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:03 pm Henry posted on another earlier thread :-

"I will also say :drool:

If you are interested, we do do a 'stealth' charge cool kit (so no side pods) fits up front where the 'hot country radiator' goes.

good for about 30-35bhp on a blown K24."
But we all know the factory blower figures on the K24 are way out, so I would take the horsepower figures with the largest pinch of sea salt. Work on 25-40% less cooling vs the pods (depending upon ambient), then add that to the 'whatever the K24 makes' number and +/- 10% would be the best guess.

Re: Side Pods A3

by John Scherrer » Fri May 07, 2021 10:03 pm

Henry posted on another earlier thread :-

"I will also say :drool:

If you are interested, we do do a 'stealth' charge cool kit (so no side pods) fits up front where the 'hot country radiator' goes.

good for about 30-35bhp on a blown K24."

Re: Side Pods A3

by autobackup » Thu May 06, 2021 7:18 am

I would endorse both Phil and John's comments above - there is virtually no chance in finding 'used' 3.5.R sidepods as they are an integral and essential part of the 350bhp 3.5R as they house the charge cooler (left pod) and oil cooler (right pod) - I believe, however, that there is at least one full blown 3.5R around without any sidepods as the owner didn't like the look of them and so they found alternative mounting spots for the two coolers!

Atom 3.5R s are generally quite rare - both those built as an original 3.5R ex-factory or Atom 3s or 3.5s that have been upgraded to either the full or partial 3.5R spec - so the chances of you stumbling across a crashed/written off one (with intact sidepods) is extremely unlikely.

While manual gearbox 3.5Rs are quite rare, 3.5Rs with the Sadev Sequential box are as rare as hen's teeth!

I would suggest that you consider calling or emailing Matt (parts@arielmotor.co.uk) at the Ariel factory to check on the availability and price because you will at least know that they will fit!!

Re: Side Pods A3

by John Scherrer » Wed May 05, 2021 6:14 pm

I'm sure the factory can quote you for the sidepods and fitting kit.
-They may even be able to help with the plumbing you'll need to relocate any coolers you have in mind.

They come in primer, so would need painting or wrapping to match etc ..

Re: Side Pods A3

by MartinsAtom » Wed May 05, 2021 5:55 pm

Cheers phil4. Thought longshot, just looking to move my coolers, may knock something up myself.

Re: Side Pods A3

by phil4 » Wed May 05, 2021 5:51 pm

The sidepods were only fitted to my knowledge to the Atom V8, or the 3.5R.... so there's not going to be any specific for an Atom 3... and I'd be surprised if anyone took them off their 3.5R. You never know, but hope the above helps you manage your expectation.

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