Bringing back wing and fender ideas

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Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by DarthChicken » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:02 pm

bump for updates - anybody?  ???

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by Magicman » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:16 pm

I have an Atom 2. I'm not sure about the mounts. Mark said it was a bolt on back wing that fit both the 2 and 3. I'll post pics when they arrive. Because I have a 2, the front wing needs the tow eye kit and I think 1 other piece. I'll have to modify the nose underneath (not visible) for mounting.

Terry

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by bolus » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:56 pm

Terry, do you have an Atom 2 or 3?  If you have a 2, what rear mount are the sending.  Does it look like Marcus' one above or is it like this?:
[img width=800 height=590]http://bolus.shackspace.com/atom/tech_wing.jpg[/img]

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by Magicman » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:17 pm

OK, my TMI wings will be here the middle of next week. I decided on the TMI set strictly for the look as my car is really my daily driver and not my track car. Shinoos back wing is AWESOME, fully adjustable, and probably more efficient due to the double stack and the gurney lip (I think it has one), and it will look great with the tmi front wing.
For me it's a matter of form over function altho from what I hear the TMI wings do work extreemly well.
I'll post pics when they get here.
Can't wait! :pop:
Terry

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by silver » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:36 pm

[quote="Marcus"]
Looks sweet, but I may need to paint the struts black.
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black powder coating or orange powder coating or something would be awesome also!

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by fiestycolumbian » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:03 am

Calscot, would you like these downforce numbers:
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/aerodata ... 01i01.html
:D

I miss the old champcars very much,  :'( :'( :'( :'(
1000hp, v8 turbos with 5000lbs of downforce,  :drool:


Anyone have any idea of what the front/rear downforce ratio at 100mph, would the balance be nuetral on the atom???

fiesty

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by Marcus » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:51 am

Looks sweet, but I may need to paint the struts black.
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Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by Heywood-Yablowme » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:24 pm

I'm thinking it looks better on TMI's car than mine.. :D    I know it's all about function first 8)  but... maybe it looks better in person. $6500? That's for both wings,right,with no mounts?  That's a lot of tires... ;D

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by CalScot » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:23 pm

[quote="WorkingOnIt"]
[quote="CalScot"]

I talked at length to Pennon Composites a few weeks ago. They can build me a front wing like this one http://www.pennon.com/products/wings/Formula%20wings/Atlantic%20wings/ButlerAtl1.JPG .... Pennon's estimate was if I remember right, about $2200 for this front wing in C/F and $1500 in fiberglass.
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Considering the weight distribution of the Atom, is C/F in the front really a functional advantage?  I would think a few extra grams over the front wheels would only add to the balance.  Unless the location is critical - I don't pretend to know the relative importance of F/R distribution vs. polar moment of inertia.

[quote="Curator"]
There must be a balance between down force obtained and drag added,or no one would run wings. Finding that balance is the key. Most wing setups are adjustable for angle of attack.
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Calscot's and Fiesty's rear wings were actually supplied as dynamically adjustable - it could theoretically flip to neutral on the straights à la the Chaparral 2 series.  If I recall correctly, neither of them found it worth the hassle to implement the dynamic feature.  The wings were praised as a bargain, but I see the website is no longer active -   http://www.darkspeedwings.com/

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Actually, the accelerometer/control unit kept failing and the designer/owner was supposed to get it fixed. His heart was not in it though and although he was an aerodynamic engineer at Swift Engineering where they make the Atlantic cars, he got a job at Boeing on some top secret program and he focused on that and gave up on the wing thing. I had one of the only functioning control units but I broke it :laugh:
It's actually a good aerofoil and well made. I have two of them with one set of original brackets. A simple mount along the lines of the TMI rear wing mount would work great on them. I might fab up two set of mounts with nice end plates and flog them on here someday or use one myself again and sell the other.

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by bolus » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:13 pm

I think it would be even better with a lttle lip on the side to divert air to the side of the tire

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by Heywood-Yablowme » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:58 pm

It is huge...

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by bolus » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:11 pm

I got permission from Mark to post these.  This is the new Atom 3 spec wing that the UK has as well.  Same width as the rear wing.  $6250 and they are unable to sell the mounts themselves separately. 

He is going to take some more pics of the wing itself tonight and send them along as well.
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Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by Heywood-Yablowme » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:52 pm

Active aerodynamics is not allowed in some racing organizations. I don't really understand why... :-\

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by WorkingOnIt » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:30 pm

[quote="CalScot"]

I talked at length to Pennon Composites a few weeks ago. They can build me a front wing like this one http://www.pennon.com/products/wings/Formula%20wings/Atlantic%20wings/ButlerAtl1.JPG .... Pennon's estimate was if I remember right, about $2200 for this front wing in C/F and $1500 in fiberglass.
[/quote]

Considering the weight distribution of the Atom, is C/F in the front really a functional advantage?  I would think a few extra grams over the front wheels would only add to the balance.  Unless the location is critical - I don't pretend to know the relative importance of F/R distribution vs. polar moment of inertia.

[quote="Curator"]
There must be a balance between down force obtained and drag added,or no one would run wings. Finding that balance is the key. Most wing setups are adjustable for angle of attack.
[/quote]

Calscot's and Fiesty's rear wings were actually supplied as dynamically adjustable - it could theoretically flip to neutral on the straights à la the Chaparral 2 series.  If I recall correctly, neither of them found it worth the hassle to implement the dynamic feature.  The wings were praised as a bargain, but I see the website is no longer active -   http://www.darkspeedwings.com/

Re: Bringing back wing and fender ideas

by bolus » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:20 pm

anyone have pics of the larger front wing?  If they are the same width as the rear that would be huge

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